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Archive of chat with Will76 about ClickCash - 8/17/06
11:03:44 WILL76: hey hey
11:03:45 jonnydoe: Hi will
11:03:53 leatherandlace: thanks for coming Will
11:03:55 Nikki_Licks: hello Will76
11:03:57 WILL76: i was just making Hammer nervous
11:03:57 joehoya: Hi Will
11:04:04 WILL76: :)
11:04:04 King_Porn: Nice to have you here
11:04:13 King_Porn: Hammer tried fooling us that you were not coming. funny
11:05:53 Hammer: let's get started. will has only allowed one hour. lol
11:06:01 WILL76: ok lets do it
11:06:27 Hammer: how old are you?
11:06:31 WILL76: 30
11:06:40 WILL76: just made 30 in june
11:06:41 King_Porn: When did you first start promoting CC?
11:06:56 WILL76: kind of a milestone birthday for me, not because it was 30
11:07:10 King_Porn: How long did it take you to learn the ropes and become successful with CC?
11:07:13 WILL76: 7 years ago i set my goals to be able to retire at 30
11:07:26 leatherandlace: thats quite a goal
11:07:38 Hammer: so you're retiring this year?
11:07:44 WILL76: retire meaning my investments pay all my bills, not all the way there but getting close. it was a a
11:07:48 moab: that's an awesome goal
11:07:55 Hammer: i retired years ago
11:08:14 WILL76: it was a important date to me. ill be going at it for a few more
11:08:22 Hammer: so KP asked how long ago you started promoting CC
11:08:37 WILL76: back in 2001
11:08:56 WILL76: i had only been sending affiliates traffic for 1 year when i came across clickcash
11:09:14 WILL76: sexkey was the site i really did good with before clickcash
11:09:25 Hammer: avs was big back then
11:09:31 WILL76: but clickcash paid out a lot more and basically it worked the same way, free type signups
11:09:44 leatherandlace: In regard to ClickCash, do you see any effect on their conversions and future status with the development of other webcam sites such as LiveJasmine, Streamray, Pussy Cash, etc?
11:10:10 WILL76: when i made the switch not only did i get more signups but also made more per signup. goes to show you the right affiliate company can make al the difference in the world
11:10:34 WILL76: definetly other cams have put a dent in the market share
11:10:39 WILL76: back then it was ifriends and nothing
11:10:43 jonnydoe: So you went exclusively with CC and didn't promote any other chats?
11:10:55 WILL76: all the other sites combined did not equal 1/4 of ifriends back then
11:11:06 WILL76: now 2 or 3 big ones combined looks like it has more girls on then ifriends
11:11:21 WILL76: well first couple years i always tested others
11:11:28 artwilliams: Are you still exclusive with iFriends?
11:11:32 Hammer: but you've found ifriends converts better than any of the others and you've tried most of them, right?
11:11:35 WILL76: after testing and testing, nothing beat them so i stopped trying
11:11:41 WILL76: yes
11:11:50 Hammer: will also used to run his own cam company
11:11:52 leatherandlace: i've been wondering about others.. nice to know
11:12:05 jonnydoe: ever had any luck with text links to ifriends?
11:12:05 WILL76: the only other traffic that i will be sending will be to my own sites i am in the process of firing back up soon
11:12:07 SSG: what do you put it down to?
11:12:13 King_Porn: Why do you think CC has so many technical flaws? Is it a result of such great server load?
11:12:25 artwilliams: Aside from the big commission structure what makes iFriends different from the rest?
11:12:46 WILL76: what they offer to the customer
11:12:53 WILL76: give me a second to explain on t his more
11:12:55 Hammer: jonnydoe, linking directly to ifriends doesn't work as well as some other options
11:13:25 Hammer: art, ifriends is different for us because of the payout
11:13:31 Hammer: they pay on each signup
11:13:44 WILL76: if you promote them correctly, you can cover everything.. you can market them to all niches for starters, they really cover all the big ones and a lot of the small ones, from asians to foot fetishes,
11:13:46 Hammer: pussycash only pays after someone spends money
11:14:14 Hammer: what do you think about linking to the fanclub pages and other pages of ifriends?
11:14:17 WILL76: also you can promote it is a mega porn site, since your membership gets you access to million of pics and videos, as a solo girl site if you wantto pick one of the girlsand push her fan club
11:14:40 WILL76: as a dating site, avs, or just push their features like HDTV cams
11:14:41 Hammer: is it always better to build our own pages and link to the join page or do you do well linking directly to ifriends?
11:15:02 Hammer: the dating site concept is one i doubt many here promote
11:15:03 joehoya: what have been some successful methods of generating traffic to your sites?
11:15:14 WILL76: ifriends makes a lot in their members area from all the upsells, fanclubs, etc.. you dont see the other cam sites with members area like that
11:15:25 SSG: that's true
11:15:28 artwilliams: How do you drive traffic to iFriends in the fashion that Hammer suggests? What other means do you use?
11:16:00 WILL76: honestly, i try to cover everything
11:16:01 joehoya: there upsell tactics are awesome
11:16:16 Hammer: can you show us one of your dating sites?
11:16:19 WILL76: just look around at what is popular or what other people are doing and try to apply clickcash to it and try to do it better
11:16:33 artwilliams: For instance, free sites, galleries, purchased traffic?
11:16:41 quazatron: question: in a world full of free teaser chat like Jasmin and Cams.com, how do you convince someone to pay with credit card for something they can't even taste in advance? :)
11:16:53 WILL76: any place that someone else is advertising there is an opportunity to make money
11:17:03 WILL76: you just need to be a little better with your ad
11:17:13 WILL76: so honestly it falls back on your promos
11:17:39 WILL76: if you using something crappy, then no matter where you getting traffic from it is not going to make you any money
11:17:55 Hammer: and ifriends tour is crappy
11:17:59 WILL76: lets me show you some promos
11:18:01 joehoya: very
11:18:05 jonnydoe: agreed!
11:18:07 King_Porn: Thats for sure Hammer
11:18:08 WILL76: never send traffic to ifriends rule one
11:18:09 WILL76: ;)
11:18:16 WILL76: directly to them that is
11:18:18 Hammer: my favorite rule
11:18:21 quazatron: lol
11:18:30 WILL76: ifriends.com isn't a good page to send traffic to and i see some *big* people who send their traffic there. they could be making a lot more money if they put time into building their own tours/promos.
11:18:36 quazatron: (thats going to be the quote of the week)
11:18:38 King_Porn: Why can't you convince iFriends to have more generic join pages/
11:18:49 Hammer: they have a bunch of join pages, KP
11:18:53 Hammer: 10 or more
11:18:58 joehoya: really?
11:19:02 Hammer: yes
11:19:11 cclurk: yeah but they all say IFRIENDS on it...hate that
11:19:14 Hammer: they have them on their clickcash area somewhere
11:19:14 King_Porn: I don't recall any generic ones
11:19:21 Hammer: they don't all say ifriends
11:19:26 jonnydoe: URL on those join pages?
11:19:32 quazatron: yes they are generic types, its some parameter on the URL i guess
11:19:35 WILL76: yeah but i am not thrilled with them, i've asked for a plain white one, black, green, etc.. plain with a variety of colors. i can only suggest it, cant make it happen
11:19:58 joehoya: I use one that doesn't say ifriends, but it tends to load slower because of those java livecam streams
11:20:02 WILL76: getting some promos since we were on t hat before we move on
11:20:04 Hammer: this is the one i use and it's generic. https://orders.webpower.com/ifriends/vpna.htm
11:20:17 jonnydoe: cool thx
11:20:33 King_Porn: The downside about that form is that the cams never load.
11:20:52 joehoya: thats the one I use
11:21:13 Hammer: here's another generic one. https://orders.webpower.com/cgi/vpAdult.exe?s=1
11:21:27 Hammer: that one loads very fast
11:21:45 WILL76: http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/fansign_geotargeting.htm
11:21:52 cclurk: the other day I cam accross something...wondering if they are working on something??? http://www.amylockheart.com/official_fanclub.php?ref=index
11:22:01 WILL76: http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/fansign_geotargeting2.htm
11:22:16 WILL76: http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/webcam-plugin2.htm
11:22:29 WILL76: ok these next two are new ones:
11:22:34 WILL76: http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/geo-targeted_livechathost.htm
11:23:06 WILL76: hammer i haven't shown you this one yet
11:23:10 WILL76: tell me what you think
11:23:10 King_Porn: It's not working anymore when I click the links. I gotta log out..
11:23:13 WILL76: http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/fakelivechat.htm
11:23:25 WILL76: let it chat first before you try to chat to it
11:23:46 Hammer: awesome will
11:23:50 Hammer: that is very cool
11:23:52 WILL76: then reoload it and chat with it
11:24:02 WILL76: notice the geotargeting, she is from your area
11:24:17 moab: yeah that's pretty cool.
11:24:30 Hammer: awesome how when i clicked to chat it told me to create a screen name
11:24:42 quazatron: i've seen some chat boxes like this from KatYoung too. its a great tool. it got me the first time :D
11:25:07 moab: love the fake live chat
11:25:08 jonnydoe: WHen you were working hard Will what was a typical day like?
11:25:26 Hammer: this is fucking awesome. http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/fakelivechat.htm
11:25:30 WILL76: just giving everyone a few mins to look at the stuff
11:25:53 moab: that is a killer promotional tool
11:25:59 Hammer: yes it is moab
11:26:03 Hammer: he's got a ton of them
11:26:06 WILL76: hey i am still working hard
11:26:09 Hammer: but you can't use it. lol
11:26:11 moab: haha
11:26:13 quazatron: yeah the fake chat here is more advanced than Kat Young. pretty nice ;)
11:26:17 WILL76: typically day is 10 - 14 hours
11:26:21 King_Porn: I've seen them before for another program... Great concept.
11:26:23 WILL76: living online
11:26:31 WILL76: 6 - 7 days a week
11:26:34 SSG: can't use them? why?
11:26:35 moab: can't use it eh, why not?
11:26:36 WILL76: im still going at it
11:26:45 jonnydoe: and divided how?
11:26:46 WILL76: ill postthem again at the end
11:26:50 Hammer: because he invented them and he's greedy
11:26:53 WILL76: how i spend my time
11:26:54 moab: hahaha
11:27:02 moab: touche.
11:27:04 SSG: lol
11:27:12 WILL76: orginally 50 on advertising 40 on finding new traffic sources
11:27:13 joehoya: thanks Will
11:27:13 King_Porn: Were not here to steal Will76's work guys.
11:27:17 cclurk: Will, whats up with http://www.amylockheart.com is it Ifriends? Whos is abrava.com?
11:27:19 WILL76: 10 on networking
11:27:25 Hammer: obviously he woulnd't be showing them to you if he cared if you used them
11:27:29 moab: I won't but it's damned good.
11:27:52 WILL76: now it is 50 on maintaining traffic. 50 on trying to put new things in place (advertising) 50 on new projects and 10 on networking
11:27:53 WILL76: lol
11:28:14 jonnydoe: WOW 160% ;-)
11:28:18 Hammer: lol
11:28:23 Hammer: will isn't good at math
11:28:27 WILL76: i get less sleep now then i did 3 years ago
11:28:28 quazatron: hehe
11:28:37 Hammer: that's why you can't add
11:28:44 jonnydoe: Best traffic sources?
11:29:00 King_Porn: Looks like you need to hire a few sexy secratories.
11:29:03 WILL76: ive been doing this for 7 years but since i work twice as much as the average person (more like a 80 hours then 40) i really been a tthis for about10 years
11:29:11 quazatron: dunno if this was asked b4: is it a one man show or u have people working for u full time. curious?
11:29:23 Hammer: no 7 plus 7 is 14
11:29:31 Mish@LVNCash: Will, what were you doing otherwise for work when you started?
11:30:13 Nikki_Licks: all of it is good stuff
11:30:40 leatherandlace: So do you run a one man show Will?
11:30:54 WILL76: no even in day 1 it was me and my roommate
11:31:13 jonnydoe: Is he still in the biz?
11:31:18 artwilliams: How many people work for you now?
11:31:21 WILL76: i just do more of the advertising networking ,he does more of theday to day and accounting...
11:31:33 jonnydoe: the beancounter...
11:31:45 WILL76: now i have 6 full time guys, and a bunch of outsource part time people and a 3rd partner
11:31:49 leatherandlace: ah i c. can one be successful startinG out part-time?
11:31:57 WILL76: sure
11:32:04 WILL76: just takes you longer thats all
11:32:04 joehoya: Ever try promoting the non adult stuff in ifriends?
11:32:08 King_Porn: How do I kill every other affiliate so that I can promote iFriends exclusively myself?
11:32:16 jonnydoe: mafia
11:32:17 Hammer: big bomb
11:32:23 Hammer: smart bomb
11:32:26 SSG: missiles
11:32:27 joehoya: nerve gas
11:32:29 WILL76: quality time put in is quality time... just take you longer if you work less
11:32:31 Hammer: only targets clickcash affiliates
11:32:42 Mish@LVNCash: there is no other non-adult stuff in iFriends... ever check to see if any of the "experts" are logged on? Never!
11:32:45 WILL76: well back in the day i did get more signups
11:32:51 WILL76: but they pay a lot more now
11:32:53 Hammer: what is your average conversion rate will?
11:32:56 WILL76: so i come out ahead
11:33:04 King_Porn: Do you use more ifriends content or purchased content in your promotions?
11:33:12 artwilliams: Do you promote using galleries and free sites?
11:33:23 WILL76: conversion ratios are not something i put a lof of credibility in
11:33:29 WILL76: let me explain
11:33:35 leatherandlace: excellent thanks
11:33:50 WILL76: even with the same program, it comes down to how you set the cookie (hit)
11:33:57 WILL76: some people on first page links
11:34:07 WILL76: some on links to signup pahe
11:34:28 WILL76: never should compare with other because things are never equal
11:34:43 WILL76: but ill explain to you how i do mine so you have a basis for it
11:35:08 WILL76: i set the cookie on page load. first page of the site they hit
11:35:26 Hammer: using a frame?
11:35:55 WILL76: reason i do this is because the more cookies i set the better chance i have to make money. if you set it when they click the link think of all the people that hit your site but dont click anything... you miss out on them
11:36:13 WILL76: clicckash has a LOT of good SE placement links, they dont over write your cookies
11:36:20 joehoya: THAT IS SOME AWESOME FUCKING INFO!
11:36:25 jonnydoe: great point
11:36:45 Hammer: you can load the join page in an invisible frame on the first page to set the cookie
11:36:49 WILL76: you would be surprised how many signups i get from people months later, when my page no longer exists, so it is not a book mark they had to have found ifriends on their own
11:37:03 Hammer: i see lots of signups from cookies
11:37:13 Hammer: usually don't show a referrer page in the stats
11:37:15 WILL76: sooo. my ratio will be a lot better if i set it on click of the link.
11:37:28 quazatron: i got some also that way from other sponsor. suprisingly it works... people buy a lot later :)
11:37:29 King_Porn: Do you use more ifriends content or purchase content Will?
11:37:47 WILL76: the way i do it, i usually get like 1:300 - 1:450 depending on the quality of the traffic i using atthat time
11:37:53 joehoya: just looking at my main page vs join page hits I could triple my cookie sign ups
11:38:01 WILL76: and you can almost cut that in half if i was doing it the way most people do
11:38:04 artwilliams: That one point was worth the price of this chat. :)
11:38:13 Hammer: ;)
11:38:17 Hammer: you paid?
11:38:22 Hammer: lol
11:38:38 quazatron: question: do you get a considerable share from the dating part? i mean, you can promote it with "dating" cams, thus getting the mainstream surfers, right
11:38:47 Hammer: kp asked the last questions
11:38:55 Hammer: let's answer kp first and then quaz
11:39:00 WILL76: conversions are bad to compare, i could be 1:1 if i made them jump through 10 pages saying, ok clickc here to signup, next page, you sure, next page... ok you need a credit card for this, next page, ok you sure you not over the limit, then i set the cookiw.. 1:1 ratio! which means nothing
11:39:12 Hammer: kp asked where you get most of your content. ifriends or other sources
11:39:28 WILL76: its a mix
11:39:52 Hammer: hard to make galleries with IF content
11:39:53 jonnydoe: DO you submit galleries?
11:39:57 WILL76: when i need to show nudity like for TGP, etc.. i buy my own stuff that i have 2257 papers on
11:40:09 joehoya: I do it (with much effort)
11:40:15 King_Porn: Sometimes I think it's easier to just pay for content. It's higher quality and you don't have to worry about a chat host asking you to take it down.
11:40:23 WILL76: when i dont need to show nudity (which is the majority of the time) i use ifriends stuff.
11:40:30 Hammer: me too
11:40:33 King_Porn: It takes a long time to browse through iFriends for the perfect content.
11:40:43 Hammer: i like to use purchased content for big splash images
11:40:55 Hammer: no worries about the model getting pissed and taking it down
11:41:03 WILL76: ive had a lot of custom content made for me that i have purchased from content people and also have had some if the chathost make it for me in exchange for sending them a lot of traffic
11:41:09 Hammer: quaz asked: do you get a considerable share from the dating part? i mean, you can promote it with "dating" cams, thus
11:41:24 King_Porn: cool, thanks Will
11:41:32 WILL76: ok hammer you tell me next question, when i finish one, if you can collect from everyone think that will work best and dont want anyone to think i am ignoring them
11:41:41 Hammer: right
11:41:42 Hammer: do you get a considerable share from the dating part? i mean, you can promote it with "dating" cams, thus
11:42:03 quazatron: getting the mainstream surfers
11:42:06 quazatron: :)
11:42:09 WILL76: yeap, i get a decent amount of traffic i guess you can say is dating traffic
11:42:55 Hammer: next question
11:42:56 Mish@LVNCash: What would you say is the conversion of the dating traffic vs. strictly promoting the cams?
11:43:08 WILL76: granted its a little sneaky cause these people looking to meet, and you know the chathost are not, but i explain it is live cams, and the chathost likes to meet people online first... just kinda play it off
11:44:07 SSG: Two Q's when you're done with the others: (1) how do you get the hosts to do custom content for you? (2) you said you use a lot of non nude content - how do you get that to convert well?
11:45:10 Hammer: did you catch ssgs questions?
11:45:12 WILL76: ok hammer next
11:45:13 quazatron: yeah Hammer
11:45:21 Hammer: Two Q's when you're done with the others: (1) how do you get the hosts to do custom content for you? (2) you said you use a lot of non nude content - how do you get that to convert well?
11:45:37 WILL76: k
11:46:07 Hammer: he's typing ;)
11:46:12 SSG: :)
11:46:18 Hammer: we need on hold music
11:46:29 King_Porn: What, you didn't give him a microphone?
11:46:41 Hammer: when he comes on hammer uncut he will
11:46:55 SSG: can't wait for that, got an ipod for my birthday! :)
11:46:57 King_Porn: So your not circumcized?
11:47:01 Hammer: i'll get his bbq secrets when he comes on my show
11:47:02 quazatron: Will is telling us about how he dates the models to get the content :)
11:47:03 King_Porn: funny
11:47:03 joehoya: I'm playing the jepardy music in my head
11:47:08 Hammer: you have a dirty mind KP
11:47:10 WILL76: first part... it is not easy to get in touch with the girls, and i wish i could get a hold of more of them. i was a chathost orginally, for couple months in the very very beginning, thats how i got started with adult and online making money etc... so i understand them and what they do. there are no easy ways to contact them. i had access to their chathost board since i was one, and i posted there, i even paid a few times just to talk to them
11:47:24 Hammer: lol joe, i was thinking the same thing
11:47:34 WILL76: it is a little easier now because i got in good with a few and i have credibility with them and they will contact others for me
11:47:48 WILL76: nude content:
11:47:50 Hammer: he's still answering part two of ssgs
11:47:53 WILL76: or non nude that is
11:48:17 Hammer: just say done when you're done. lol
11:48:28 Hammer: ready for the next question?
11:48:33 joehoya: other than ppc and seo, how do you get traffic for your dating sites?
11:48:35 SSG: sorry, my complicated questions!
11:48:35 quazatron: Will had inside information, thats good in cams ;)
11:48:59 WILL76: i do great with non nude stuff... here is the thing, people (hammer uncut included) getupset about all the free stuff out there but what is so awesome about cams is that there is non for free, so i can go to where free stuff is being given away and basically say
11:49:17 WILL76: why jerk off to pics and vids when you can watch her live and tell her what to do
11:49:42 Hammer: smart
11:49:44 WILL76: and if you show a sexy clip, or lead up to the point she is about to take it off, it works better then giving it away or showing too muc
11:49:50 Hammer: i'm doing non nude mobile stuff now
11:49:55 Hammer: non nude converts great
11:49:58 SSG: excellent anwers, thanks Will, I'm off to join up as a chat host lol
11:50:06 Hammer: lol ssg
11:50:08 WILL76: how many guys here think it is hottier to see some chicks almost all the way nude oppose to nude
11:50:14 Hammer: me
11:50:15 quazatron: DONT see u there ssg lol
11:50:20 Vegas: Hammer, will this interview be archived? I missed most of it :(
11:50:25 SSG: lol hold your horses quz
11:50:27 Nikki_Licks: me too
11:50:29 WILL76: definetly gets you wantin to see more and thats the point and approach that works
11:50:31 Hammer: that will be up to Will
11:50:33 quazatron: unless u are a girl SSG lol
11:50:42 jonnydoe: another good point...I like non-nude thumbs with a nude teaser that doesn't blow up
11:50:42 SSG: I am quaz
11:50:46 artwilliams: Me, but I'm 45. Had my fill of bukkake gangbangs!
11:50:48 joehoya: porn has dulled my sensitivities to non nude
11:51:01 quazatron: oh i guess i remember u, the blonde girl.... see u there lol
11:51:01 jonnydoe: need cialis...
11:51:10 WILL76: sorry i was typing and not the quickest
11:51:12 Hammer: a chick in a bikini works for me
11:51:12 SSG: lol
11:51:13 WILL76: whats up next
11:51:22 Hammer: next question
11:51:38 joehoya: other than ppc and seo, how do you get traffic for your dating sites?
11:51:56 King_Porn: Do you have family? How to they handle you working all of the time?
11:51:57 Mish@LVNCash: How does the management of CC treat you? Do they wine & dine since you bring them so much traffic?
11:52:16 jonnydoe: What is the single most inportant thought that we should leave this chat with?
11:52:27 WILL76: naturally this is the one thing i can not get into details about. but i will try to t ell you as much as i can
11:52:29 Hammer: Will has given me permission to archive this chat
11:52:35 joehoya: sure
11:52:41 WILL76: i learned on my own, no one told me, he go advertise there it works
11:52:45 Vegas: cool thanks
11:52:59 WILL76: 2 main things that will help you
11:52:59 joehoya: I wasn't expected all of the secrets, just looking for some direction
11:53:11 joehoya: thanks Will
11:53:12 Hammer: KP i'll post yours again when he answers jonnydoe's
11:53:21 WILL76: what do you do when you are online as a surfer where do you go and how can you make money from it
11:53:31 WILL76: see what others are doing or talking about
11:53:34 King_Porn: no problem, just a valid question for family webmasters
11:54:03 Hammer: are we caught up on answers?
11:54:10 Hammer: who'd we miss?
11:54:15 WILL76: how many times you see somoone posting that someone is making money from site xxxxx and 5 people tell him to shut up... you have to surf look around see what is hot, how can i tap into this without getting into trouble, be creative think outside the box
11:54:34 joehoya: sounds good
11:54:38 SSG: so become a surfer to think like a surfer?
11:54:44 SSG: which is all good if you're a guy...
11:55:00 WILL76: sure you can make money on galleries and stuff like that, also last thing... when you find something that makes money perfect it
11:55:00 jonnydoe: the wood-o-meter
11:55:04 WILL76: and cover all niches
11:55:04 Hammer: put on a strapon while you're surfing ssg
11:55:07 Mish@LVNCash: I want to know what CC does to keep Will doing what he does for them
11:55:16 Mish@LVNCash: any perks, etc.
11:55:21 Hammer: they pay him LOTS of money
11:55:25 SSG: lol Hammer - that unfortunately doesn't shift the gears in my head
11:55:31 Mish@LVNCash: got that much lol
11:55:35 WILL76: if you make money with teen tgps then try blacks, asian, etc.. all from the same source (site) you keep making money without taking away from yourself
11:55:42 Hammer: so what more would he want? lol
11:55:57 WILL76: ill get mish's
11:56:05 jonnydoe: the secret to life...
11:56:06 joehoya: I new all those hours trolling for porn on the net would be valuable later on (besides the CDs I burned) :)
11:56:06 Hammer: thanks
11:56:15 Vegas: I dont know if this has been asked since I got here late, but are there still 'good' money to be made with CC. WilL has done well because he's been in it for a while and established, what about a newbie?
11:56:30 Hammer: yes vegas
11:56:40 Hammer: i start new clients everyday that make good money
11:56:45 joehoya: Vegas- Yes there is and I'm a newbie
11:56:54 Hammer: will is answering mish right now i think
11:57:09 King_Porn: Vegas, if your making your own tours then every site is unique.
11:57:21 Hammer: good point KP
11:57:24 Vegas: ;) KP good point
11:57:34 WILL76: i have a good relationship with them, talk to them almost everyday, i give them feedback, etc... they pay me well, same as any of you can make. i make more money with them and they have paid me every week on time for 4 years. they dont have to do anything special to keep me
11:57:55 WILL76: so why switch to someone else
11:58:10 King_Porn: Will76, Mish is starting a cam program.
11:58:17 SSG: lol Hammer
11:58:18 WILL76: now i am in the process of building my own membership sites
11:58:28 WILL76: i want to have my own afiliate program
11:58:30 King_Porn: yep
11:58:31 Mish@LVNCash: He knows.. I harrassed him over a PM. lol (sorry)
11:58:39 WILL76: give you guys a little history about me
11:58:49 SSG: nah, we want pics
11:58:51 WILL76: while you chat, i will type it all at one time and send
11:58:55 Mish@LVNCash: Only because Hammer told me how great Will was doing as an iFriends affiliate
11:59:11 Hammer: and now she wants him as an LVN affiliate ;)
11:59:12 King_Porn: Are you saying your going to run a cam program again with an affiliate program?
11:59:40 Hammer: http://www.lvncash.com
11:59:41 moab: funny
11:59:42 WILL76: shit it was sending as i type lol starting over, give me sec
12:00:06 Hammer: smoke breaks
12:00:23 SSG: click breaks
12:00:27 jonnydoe: How many websites do you have currently Will?
12:00:42 Hammer: he has hundreds if not thousands
12:00:42 jonnydoe: ballpark...
12:00:48 jonnydoe: wow...
12:01:00 Mish@LVNCash: Good thing you're archiving this... the speed is slowly down my whole system! lol
12:01:04 Hammer: he grills a mean steak too
12:01:15 SSG: I must meet Will...
12:01:19 King_Porn: Do you build, get them going, and forget about them so that you can move on to new projects?
12:01:23 Hammer: you may need to log out and come back then mish
12:01:51 Mish@LVNCash: I think I'm alright. The lights in the office are flickering though... is that bad? lol
12:01:59 SSG: lol
12:02:02 Hammer: lol mish
12:02:09 Hammer: only if you need power
12:02:14 King_Porn: I mean promote them so they have their own steady supply of traffic and then let them go on their own so you can build more sites?
12:02:20 King_Porn: lol hammer
12:02:26 Mish@LVNCash: I've worked off the generator before... no worries!
12:02:49 Hammer: i'm copying your questions for him when he's done with his biography
12:02:56 King_Porn: thanks
12:03:19 SSG: Hammer, where will the archive of this chat be found? Lots of info I'd like to go back and read again
12:03:30 WILL76: 99 started as a chost host on ifriends 00 started my first membership site and soon after had several i owned opperated, etc.. also started sending traffic to sponsors 01 started with clicckash 02 opened a cam house like voyeur dorm 03 the girls drove me nuts, said the hell with it i want the simple route, no girls, no headaces, did 100% clickcash
12:03:32 King_Porn: on the archive link, SSG
12:03:34 Hammer: on the site this chat is on
12:03:42 SSG: tx
12:03:44 Hammer: there's a link to the archives on the left side
12:05:38 Hammer: everyone tell will how great he is
12:05:40 Hammer: lol
12:05:46 SSG: WILL, YOU ROCK!
12:05:47 jonnydoe: You are great Will
12:05:56 WILL76: the secret to good bbq is marinade
12:05:57 jonnydoe: while bowing
12:06:05 joehoya: You are awesome Will
12:06:10 jonnydoe: jerk sauce ;-)
12:06:15 SSG: ewww
12:06:15 leatherandlace: your awesome Will, thanks greatly!
12:06:18 Hammer: next chat we'll find out will's bbq sectrets
12:06:18 WILL76: yes homemade
12:06:20 WILL76: ;(
12:06:26 Nikki_Licks: Thank you for your time Will76
12:06:33 Hammer: will is going to be on Hammer Uncut soon too
12:06:35 WILL76: no problem
12:06:39 moab: thanks Will, this one chat is worth millions in advice
12:06:42 Mish@LVNCash: Thanks Will
12:06:46 WILL76: last couple words of advice
12:06:53 artwilliams: Thanks!!!
12:06:55 Hammer: will is welcome to stay and chat longer but if he has to go, we understand
12:06:59 SSG: sign up as a chat host? lol
12:07:00 Nikki_Licks: yes! Lots of good advice
12:08:27 WILL76: work ethic, being professional, sticking to your word. putting the hours in but quality time, think outside the box, be innovative with ideas. ideas are golden. and set goals and be reasonable with them, wont happen over night... last last.. when you get it dont slack off, i hear a lot of epople say " man i use to make money dont know what happend..." and invest what you make wisely
12:08:54 Hammer: pearls of wisdom
12:09:00 leatherandlace: excellent advice!
12:09:01 Hammer: thanks will
12:09:03 jonnydoe: good advice in any biz...
12:09:07 leatherandlace: thanks will
12:09:14 jonnydoe: TY
12:09:17 joehoya: Thanks Will
12:09:26 SSG: Supa Dupa, Thanks a Ton
12:09:29 Nikki_Licks: yepers...consistency and more of it
12:09:30 Vegas: thanks will
12:11:51 WILL76: im going to grab some lunch nice chatting with everyone
12:12:11 King_Porn: Thanks for the chat Will76, nice talking to you.
12:12:26 Hammer: thanks for coming to the new folks as well
12:12:26 WILL76: bye :)
12:12:37 moab: thanks again & bye.
12:12:41 Hammer: remember we have scheduled chats at 12 noon ET every weekday
12:12:50 SSG: Great chat, thanks Will, Hammer and everyone who asked questions
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